美国名校中国留学生退学率 25%,是否属实?

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美国名校中国留学生退学率25% 曾经的高分考生 这几天各大门户网站都有这样的报道,看了很让人吃惊。请问这个新闻是否属实?大家又是怎么看的呢?
小喬女王 | 2023-11-20 00:05:37 | 显示全部楼层
我曾经也在报纸上还有新闻上看到过这个数据,一般来说大学的招办是不会公开退学生的数据的,所以我认为这个数据的准确信还有待考证
! v: R! a! L$ c# N0 s但是,每年从顶尖大学退学的中国学生是不少的,我的母亲是康奈尔大学的前招生官,她告诉我每年从这些顶尖名校(不只是Ivy而是前二十的大学)主动退学和被开除的中国学生都不少,几个主要的原因有三个是:5 H7 k7 m% j" D. R, P9 y
1. 在进入学校以后被发现学生水平与申请不符(比如大学成绩太差,或者是学校将学生在大学的写作样本与其申请时的文书申请,如果两者之间相差太多,学校会以violation of the honor code开除学生)
' {, f. ?/ d4 k  G  j( \2. 学生在大学作弊被发现
5 Q2 R* h& T  {- I6 Q3 t  k. s9 _/ l3. 不少学生选择主动退学,因为在国内中介的帮助下,学生进入了一个远远大于自己实际水平的大学,学生在进入学校后发现自己的水平相差很远,自己很难在大学校园获得成功; i0 j, L. R* o4 M
所以说与其说大学申请的过程是帮助自己进入大学,不如说是不断提升自己让自己为美国高等教育环境做好准备的过程。不断提升自己的阅读写作能力,适应西方学术写作的要求等等。最后还有一句话,中国人常说宁做鸡头不做凤尾,举一个极端的例子,在一个稍微差一点的学校做前几名绝对比在哈佛耶鲁做倒数好。3 y: c; I; F$ c& T% b$ |! t6 l. x
回到退学这个问题,这个数据本身没有什么参考价值,但是很重要的一个警示就是,同学们在选择大学的时候一定要选择自己喜欢的合适的,而不是盲目追求顶尖名校,导致自己无法跟上学业剑走偏锋
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常食脸静伯 | 2023-11-20 10:03:35 | 显示全部楼层
(Thank you, @Atlas, for this amazing translation!)
. r9 s% y, y5 M我对这文章有两点疑问。
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作者从何得知美国名校中国留学生退学率 25%的?文章没有标明信息源或引文并且也没说这个数字是怎么计算的。实际上,以我的理解,文章主体根本和该数据的关系都不大。. G' M: d" F( t- Y/ e; h" }
该数据也没有区分本科生和研究生,而实际上,两者的学术体验完全不同。另外,让这个问题变得更令人不解的是关于那两个学生的访谈,一个针对UCLA的一名本科生,另一个是采访一个正申请研究生院的学生...' o7 U( Z+ X, Q( P8 _
我谷歌了一下,不仅找不到任何涉及留学生退学率 25%的研究或数据,甚至连任何在美国的留学生的退学率的研究和数据都找不到。
* F! s6 _4 q, x) K0 h6 n$ T我不觉得留学生的退学率会为美国所担心。假如一个留学生退学了,他要不就是有钱去另一个学校了要不就是回祖国了。根本不影响美国的失业率和街头流浪人员数量。对偶来说,这基本不算值得米国人研究的事儿。6 G- ^$ t0 I4 y  @4 \% R
2.作为文章结论的建议不一定有用。
3 N5 P2 \7 ^0 ]: z8 e$ {) H我估计大部分读该文的人都想尽量避免文中俩被访问者遇到的情况。不幸滴是,虽然从一般的角度来说是好的,文章结尾的建议并没给出具体的步骤或例子以便其他的学生和家长来采用。
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+ R4 e" C3 n$ q  U( h8 Q去美国留学,要注意什么?”的回答中,我写了一系列的涉及学业学术的我认为有用的建议。
8 v3 p5 I- W0 Q问题中涉及的文章促使我又加了两部分:关于写paper和进行group projects的。! o  Z/ Q$ e9 v3 ?1 E1 `6 S
7. 选课(本科3 o9 u7 R9 w1 P6 |) @4 y0 g
如果你要高gpa,那选对课就是成功的一半。我想大伙都懂为拿高分而学和真正的学习的区别,选课也差不多。
6 W1 @$ E) E' B3 J刚到这边时你可能会有些语言上的问题,所以第一要务是强壮这个软肋。选课时,你应该# S# N. \, \+ e( ]

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  • 避免有大量reading和writing的课(Literature, History, Economics, Sociology, Journalism, etc)1 b, W. D3 I. D& d0 ~
  • 选你已经比较懂的课(Math, Biology, Chemistry, Physics), }6 k9 ~  g; r2 ]% w* n
  • 在像"评师网"酱紫的网站上看那帮老师的评分: Koofers: Professor Ratings(注,米国这块网站挺牛的,你们系刚毕业新来的阿喵老师和阿汪老师可能没几天就在上面出现并且有学生评分了)然后?选那些爱给学生高分的教授呗。
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你在新生介绍的时候会有机会见到一位帮你选课的academic advisor。甭全信他的!n周前就自己先做足功课.why?因为一般他们都推荐大一新生选覆盖面很广的课程以提早满足核心的毕业要求。也就是说她很可能推荐你选:' b. l' O* S( f& [, q

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  • 1 math class
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  • 1 literature class (坏主意,至少从开始来讲是坏主意)
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  • 1 science class3 n9 z% `% F% n  ]2 p8 |/ L7 n7 }
  • 1 major-related class 专业相关的课程* c' K( B# |/ d  k+ ]9 u' W5 @8 c
第一学期的5门课里,你将很有可能有2门不关你专业的课,而且还上的你ballache的。两门以阅读和写作为基础的课也会分你不少精力。没人需要在适应期面对这样的压力。另外,如reading/writing课只用于核心学分,则一般没有选它们的必要的早晚要求,so更没有理由第一年就挨虐了。大3大4有了更多英语底子再选。宗上,大1可以:
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我推理科课的原因在于,reading and writing比较少,而且很可能那些东西你都知道了。米国大一的理科课其实基本是中国高中的理科课。' ?  c# b, S2 P
课被选满了,不急,把自己登在候补名单上。很多米国人选超多课先占着坑,然后再drop不上的。一学期开始的几周随意drop课不罚钱的。这机制是大学鼓励的,这样鼓励学生多去尝试不同的课。so教室最开始甚至有人站着听,但是2周后会有座的。
6 F6 t  @1 J2 g+ R3 e) p( F如你在wait-list上,第一天上课就告诉上课的教授。然后把你的名字和学号email给他并解释说你在wait-list很想被加到课里来。然后继续跟着上课,显示你对这事是serious的。开学两周之后,一般prof会将所有wait-list上的学生都加进班里来。我在大学的时候,每一学期我都有门课在WL上,只有一次老师没能把我加进来。但即使这样,我跟教授一起想了一个办法让我能够通过独立学习的方式拿到了等同的学分。
& \4 J3 \6 g( ?- F/ {) w针对的CS的同学的特别提示:很多米国的CS的学生在上大学之前就有多年的编程经验了。不幸的是,入门等级的cs课的projects也因此而变得更难了。不过就算是再难的proj,也会有老鸟学生能轻易搞定那些proj的。这些学生其实不应该在入门级别的课里面,但是你还是不得不忍了他们。如果他们一天搞定了一个一周的Proj,别气馁。你来这是学东西来了,不是跟谁比来了。将cs课当文艺课来看。对于那些没有很早就接触编程的人来说,练习是你最好的基友(还有
# H6 e* B) {* Z# n# E8 _4 L8 \$ ]Stack Overflow. 注:好网站,cs和ee的人都熟)
  s- _) ^! r( i/ ]- r6 n1 m8. 问问题
0 \, v. G0 k& K% ^( z. X7 \叫兽们希望学生们提问题。如果在课上有不懂的或你希望叫兽重复某事,举手,提问9 N6 w5 |3 f+ h. v9 M  z5 E2 _2 G
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  • "Professor, could you repeat what you just said?"
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  • "Professor, could you explain what X means?"
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  • "Professor, could you give an example of X?"
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9. Office Hours (答疑时间)4 m. }! f1 y9 ~) m! E
所有的叫兽和助教都每周设置了固定的时间来答疑,这些时间就是用来帮助学生的。课程简介会细说具体时间安排的。
: h8 A$ [/ W; m. j+ p将office hours当课程时间一样加到你的schedule里面。
# i# y0 A# ]! q, d2 V可以说office hours比上课时间还重要(深表同意T_T)。 上课主要是把课本里面的概念给学生介绍一下。office hours更重要,因为你可以就课程内容和作业提问更详细的问题。
9 r8 G" ?9 A2 L2 b) a和叫兽和助教搞好个人关系也很重要(注:请掌握度,很多越界的被开除了), K9 D& q; Q6 C8 j+ W
补遗:10. 论文6 G7 A( Z9 r! U' s' F8 c  u0 s3 U: E
如果你在攻读人文科学的学位,paper就是你的食粮。你基本每天和paper打交道。就算你读技术类的学位你还是得写些paper的。
$ r7 E+ U1 R# v% {% R写文最关键的一步是明白写文动因。向叫兽询问索取论文的样例,或至少以前上这课的学生们的写过的主题。这可以帮你了解叫兽想要的东西是什么。你不一定要在你的paper里搞些新的重大发明创造,只要你切合并甚至超越叫兽的期待值,你就拿A了。( r4 Q  s3 t  F1 X: ]6 n+ ^! s
在你搞研究的时候搞个参考书目表是挺有用的。如果你文章写完了再搞你已经不记得哪出自于哪了。提前搞随着进度,那这参考书目表自然而然就出来了。4 ]% D+ U. m$ u9 T# }* ]
如果有什么新的ideas也可以果断修改你的文章;论题。提高你文章的论题(把文章整体提上一个层次)比调整你的研究工作来适应一个破命题要好太多了。在office hours去就新的论题请教叫兽的意见是个好主意。叫兽实际上很喜欢这类的讨论并且他们可以就此确定你的论题是否合乎他们的期望。3 P$ G' m6 N; d9 ~1 q* i9 B1 D
早点开始写。写是一个非线性的过程,有时候那些段落自己就连起来了,有时候写一句话也是难于上青天。有一招是每天写一句话。不管是晚上多晚了亦或那句话看起来多二,写之。如果那句确定不咋地,那就以后再修缮。很多时候,一句话就引出一整段话来,然后最后你比别人都提早几周完成任务。0 R; |$ O! W" ~7 I+ M& m* Y
但是写完文章只是一半。修改也一样重要。米国的高中强调同学间互改。完成草稿后,找个盆友或者同学来读读来说说毛病。他人的角度是提高文章的利器。
" ]7 B' H# ?; S% P( h$ o校园里还有一个有用的服务就是写作中心。该服务一般都是学生志愿者搞的。你可以把你写的东西拿过去让他们那些写作牛人给审审。这个过程要包容和虚心。有时候,别人会在论题中发现非常基本的瑕疵或者会质疑你用来得出结论的理由。耐心地处理这些建议一定能提高你的文章水平的。
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小组作业可能是最具挑战性的任务之一。因为它既需要好的沟通技巧,又要独立工作的责任心,还要领导技巧。米国学生小学就开始group projects了,并且这些projects随着初中高中而逐渐变得更复杂。有了这么多经验(当然拖延症也不轻),他们都习惯了投压哨三分(最后赶工)。但是除非你(中国留学僧)对你的水平有信心,否则别持相同心态。早点开始,别到后边压力山大。( c! G% i! }. T( A$ C
我建议头两年上数学和理科课一部分就是为了躲开group projects。这些课一般不太有GP,就算有,也很容易分工的,不会很互相依赖不太需要真正意义上的协作配合。小组里的每个人都可以做任务的一部分然后最后组合起来得到结果。% {' [* X8 ^3 R: ~! j
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如果你够幸运,叫兽会给每个组定一个题目,如果不给题目,除非你们组有个强势领袖型同学,否则你们一起拟定一个论题可能是很煎熬的事。因为接下来的工作都依赖于这个研究题目,确保设定个组会时间来尽早把这一步搞定。你可以说:
2 \, x4 k5 A; Y* A6 Y"I think it'd be good if we decide on a research topic as soon as possible. How about we meet Tuesday afternoon to discuss it? Is everyone free at that time?"+ \1 d4 t* r* j3 M
第一次组会,鼓励每个人都列一个包括所有可能的题目的单子。如果你不明白某人列的某个题目,问之。询问小组成员是否都同意那个最有趣的题目,或者大伙同意投票决定一个最佳题目。
5 O) o: z! X4 Y搞定研究题目后,开始分工。牛人自愿担当难点的任务。这是个说出你自己的特长和短处的不错的时间。比如,如果你不擅长写作,但是擅长做ppt演讲,那你就主动承担presentation的部分。
# ?" f4 L5 e$ M2 n/ m  P5 J在截止日期前定期组会(一周一次)。最后几次组会应该保留用来练习presentation。以整组为单位来练习是很重要的,这样才能让小组熟悉演讲人的出场顺序,演讲的主题的顺序,和演讲持续的时间。presetation通常都是限时的,所以彩排可以让你们知道是否要根据时限添加或去除一些东西。所有的这些因素都影响着一个正式的presentation给人的印象。并且互相问问观众到时候看了演讲后可能会提出的问题(做到心中有数)8 T( k1 B9 j9 x: ?, z
如果小组进度不是很好(比如,一个成员彻底忽略了他的职责)越早解决相关问题越好。首先,问那个人是否需要帮助。不要完全把他的活揽过来,而是提供必要的建议。如果不起效,office hours时去跟叫兽说。告诉叫兽你们组怎么分的工,这哥们怎么光吃饭不干活,以及别的组员怎么没有放弃对他的治疗。这样之后,叫兽会明白该怎么给每个小组成员打不同的分的。
" S* m2 s% t. j  ]12. 别作弊
4 P' i2 m, Z8 g- G美国的大学对作弊灰常seriously的。在很多本科和研究生学业中,被抓到作弊就自动挂科了。成绩单上会表明XF,意思就是学术造假,甚至都不是通常的F(挂)。将来你找工作或者再继续进修博士啥的都不好看。; _' Q, [" m* h4 D# k
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问题提到的文章把学生的高分和他们的低能联系在一起说,我认为这是对美国教育系统的误解。一个学生在大学里的成绩只在于他们在大学期间的表现。他们之前的学术成绩都不重要。(更一般地来讲,这个理念也适于一个人在美国的工作,事业。在工作几年之后,一个人的gpa已经不重要了) 所以请牢记一个学生进入大学之后才是他艰苦学习的真正开始。) F! f7 f* P$ [4 |" I  \7 c. M
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/ q0 y% |5 y. O1. Where did they get that title? Sources?8 E% K% r. ^# z  G: n' R6 Z
Where did the author get the statistic that 25% of international students are dropping out of America's top-tier schools? There are no sources or citations and the article doesn't offer an explanation on how that number was computed. In fact, from what I could understand, the majority of the article has very little to do with that statistic.
1 U% L* E7 S% J  b) s  P7 w  N3 _The statistic also doesn't distinguish between undergrads and graduate students, but in reality, those academic experiences are completely different. And the two student interviews, one of an undergrad student at UCLA and one of a student applying to graduate school, confuses that further.
$ K' a, N3 @2 w2 F, B. YI did some Googling, and not only could I not find any studies or statistics talking about a 25% of international students dropout rate, I couldn't find any studies or statistics on the dropout rate of international students in America at all. - F: V( _" n, X# @8 C+ r. K
I don't think the international student dropout rate is a concern for Americans. If an international student drops out, then they either have the money to continue at a different school or they have to go back to their country of origin. It doesn't contribute to the unemployment rate in America and it doesn't increase the number of homeless people on the streets; to me, it doesn't seem like a problem worth studying for Americans.
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I'm assuming most people reading the article want to avoid the situations that the two interveiwees faced. Unfortunately, the advice at the end of the article, while good from a general perspective, doesn't give specific steps or examples that other students and parents can follow.
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去美国留学,要注意什么? I wrote a list of academic suggestions that I think might help. (Here's a link to the Chinese translation  * b! \3 I' D/ Y% A: }1 U) x
http://zhi.hu/SZyM)
$ }  b  S. g  B8 z# w  ]The article in the question also prompted me to add two sections about writing research papers and working on group projects.
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If you want to aim for top grades, then picking classes is half the battle. I think most Chinese students have an idea about the difference between studying to get good grades and actually learning; picking classes takes advantage of that same distinction.
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When you go through orientation, you'll have a chance to meet with an academic advisor who will help you pick classes. Don't trust 100% what she or he advises! Figure out how to pick classes and choose them weeks beforehand. Why? Because most advisors recommend that freshman take a broad range of classes to fulfill core graduation requirements. This means that they'll probably recommend that you take
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Out of 5 of the classes in your first semester, you'll have 2 that are probably unrelated to your major, but that you'll really struggle in. The two reading/writing-based classes will also distract you from your other classes. Nobody needs that stress while adapting to a new culture. Also, if the reading/writing classes are only required for core credits, then there's usually no required order in which you have to take them, so there's no reason to take them in the first year; wait until you're a junior or senior with more English experience before tackling them. Instead, your freshman schedule could look like2 H8 i/ {& D3 r! d  [
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If a class is full, don't worry. Sign-up for the wait-list. The common way for Americans to register for classes is to sign-up for more classes than they can handle, and then drop the ones that they don't like. There's no penalty for dropping a class within the first weeks of the semester. This is actually encouraged by universities because they want students to experiment with different classes. This also means that classes are oversubscribed and seats will usually free up after the first two weeks.
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If you are on the wait-list, tell the professor on the first day of class. Then email the professor with your name and student ID and explain that you are on the wait-list and would like to be added to the class. Then continue to attend the class as if you were registered; this proves that you're serious about taking the class. After the first two weeks, the professor will usually add all the students on the wait-list to the class. When I was in college, I was on the wait-list for one class every single semester, and in only one case could the professor not add me to the class. But even in that situation, I talked to the professor and we figured out a way that I could earn the equivalent credits through independent research.
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A special note to computer science majors: A significant number of American computer science students have years of programming experience before they start college. Unfortunately, the projects in the introductory level courses are usually harder because of that. Even with harder projects, there will be students who have enough experience to ace the projects effortless; these students really shouldn't be in the intro-level courses, but you'll have to put up with them. Don't be discouraged if they finish a week-long project in a day. You're here to learn, not to show off. Treat a computer science class like an art class. For people who didn't start programming at an early age, practice is your best friend (and maybe also Stack Overflow).' B0 Y8 s% b- V) Z( ]9 Z
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* n9 z/ ^6 K  G  f& _It's also extremely important to build a personal relationship with the professor and teaching assistant.
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If you are studying for a humanities degree, papers are your bread and butter. You'll work on a paper almost every day. Even if you're studying towards a technical degree you'll have to write at least a couple papers.
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The most important step to starting an essay is to understand the prompt. Ask the professor for examples of essays, or at the very least topics, that students have written about in the past. This helps you understand what the professor expects. You don't have to make any new discoveries in your paper; as long as you match and surpass the professor's expectations, you'll get the A. , N% v, X9 ^: Q: p; V: @

' v: @7 B  g, H. l; l6 Z2 WIt's useful to fill in your bibliography as you do your research. If you wait until after you finish your essay, you might have trouble remembering which ideas came from which source. Do it up front and the bibliography is finished automatically.
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Also don't be hesitate to change your thesis in light of new ideas. It's much better to improve your thesis rather than to twist your research to fit a weak one. It's a good idea to go to office hours and ask for the professor's opinion on any new thesis ideas. Professors actually love these sorts of discussions and they can validate whether your thesis meets their expectations or not.( L$ G& q' o0 v" r; r

  z( b: F4 y+ D2 V/ qYou'll definitely want to start writing early. Writing is a very non-linear process; sometimes paragraphs string themselves together; sometimes a single sentence is an immovable obstacle. A useful method is to write a sentence every day. No matter how late it is at night or how inept that one sentence happens to be, write it. If the sentence was really no good, then edit it out later. Oftentimes, that sentence will lead into a paragraph, and you'll have the essay finished weeks before everyone else.
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But finishing the essay is only half the work. Revising the essay is just as important. High schools in America emphasize the process of peer-review. After you finish a draft of your essay, ask a friend or classmate to read it over for you and critique it. A fresh set of eyes will reveal obvious ways to improve the essay.
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Another helpful service is the campus writing center. This is a service, mostly run by student volunteers, where you can bring your writing and have it reviewed by experienced writers. Be open-minded about this process. Sometimes, other people will see a fundamental flaw in the thesis or question the reasoning you used to arrive at your conclusion. Addressing these suggestions patiently will almost certainly improve your essay.8 O" g4 A  ~' ?" P" z7 _) `
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% B+ S6 z  H" k5 \3 SWorking in groups can be one of the most challenging assignments because it requires a combination of good communication skills, an independent work ethic and leadership skills. American students start working in group projects as early as elementary school and the projects only increase in complexity throughout middle and high school. With so much experience (and a habit of procrastination), they're comfortable with not finishing a project until the last moment. But unless you're very confident in your skills, don't take on the same mentality. Start working on the project before they do so that the project won't have to be so stressful.
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My suggestions about enrolling in math and science classes in the first two years is part of the strategy to avoid group projects until later in your academic career. Math and science classes typically have less group work, and even when they do, the work is usually easily divisible, not mutually dependent and doesn't require actual collaboration. Everyone in the group can complete a portion of the tasks and then combine the results.
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If you're lucky, the professor will assign each group a research topic, but if not, then collectively agreeing on a research thesis can be a hard task unless the group has a passionate leader. Because all subsequent work is dependent on having a research topic, make sure to set a meeting time and decide on that as soon as possible. You can say, # Y/ {6 L- E( F+ P
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At the first meeting, encourage every one list out ideas for possible topics. If you don't understand a topic, don't hesitate to ask about its meaning. Ask the group members if they can all agree on the most interesting topic or if they want to vote on the best ones.
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With the research topic in hand, start dividing the work. Strong group members will volunteer to take on certain tasks. This is a good time to talk about your strengths and weaknesses. For example, if you're not strong at writing, but you're good at making Powerpoint presentations, then volunteer to compile the presentation.
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If the group dynamics aren't working well (for example, if a group member is completely ignoring their responsibilities), it's important to address that sooner rather than later. First, ask if that group member needs help. Don't agree to do her or his work, but provide suggestions. If that doesn't change things for the better, go to office hours and talk to the professor. Tell the professor how the group has decided to divide the work, how one group member hasn't been contributing and what the rest of the group has already tried in order to motivate that person. This ensures that the professor will understand how to grade each member of the group.
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American universities take cheating very seriously. In many undergrad and graduate programs, getting caught cheating is an automatic failure in the class. But the transcript will show an XF, which stands for academic dishonesty, instead of the normal F for failing. Future employers and academic programs will all be able to see the XF when they review the transcript.
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Although the article in the question juxtaposes the students' high test scores with their lack-luster performance, I think that's a misunderstanding of the American education system. A student's progress through college is solely dependent on their performance in college. None of their previous academic achievements matter. (In a more general sense, the same applies for a person's career in America. A person's academic GPA becomes irrelevant after a few years of work experience.) So keep in that when the student enters college is when the hard work really begins. % h6 o+ X! X) k6 B( o6 n" U% ^
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As always, if you have the courage and patience to translate this into Chinese, then go for it! =P
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付板格福 | 2023-11-20 19:20:10 | 显示全部楼层
搜了一下,这两位记者“实习记者 姜念月 记者 高敏”似乎特别爱写这类文章:
0 ~+ Y* n! E1 W+ T花费百万女“海归”回国4年还没找到合适工作 -2013.05.13
5 R4 t& C1 E5 O5 t3 {, T' u3 \出国读高中2年,他只有4个华人朋友出国念大学1年,美国朋友陪她过生日 -2013.05.179 e( Z2 V- i/ `2 `6 {$ @5 S3 L4 x
美国名校中国留学生退学率25% 曾经的高分考生-2013.06.04
/ O5 P2 z* v$ |' P. W海外留学生讲述毕业生活:想获绿卡险些假结婚-2013.08.01(这一篇只有署名实习记者姜念月)  R7 J+ c: }) G6 S# x
再又搜了一下实习记者姜念月,四川师范大学电影电视学院09级戏剧影视文学专业学生(应该是今年毕业),不知道她是不是有把戏文和新闻弄混淆呢?
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2 I( D9 o# R+ E; D& t) {儿子逼父亲为女友留学花60万 出国一年后分手 -2013.08.16 (记者:姜念月,下同)
2 r% O) N% d  R4 k9 H留学生毕业后做什么?第一选择:回国创业 -2013.08.30
6 p0 y: @# e$ }, |( |; n, O, R报到找不到教室,第一节课就听不懂 -2013.09.10
3 j3 @, j6 _0 m' E5 t: O0 B7 v/ o3 S他在美国5天输光18万人民币她在英国打“黑工”被查 -2013.09.26  , t. M* R8 x- s7 W) `9 {
--2015年居然还可以更新---
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出国当泥瓦工 包吃住月赚1300美元  2014.11.03
2 K; I8 O$ h9 l, V8 w+ X2 Z* E怕口语面试,英语八级硕士不敢投简历 2014.10.29
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黎明将至i | 2023-11-20 21:15:33 | 显示全部楼层
这文章既然提到了俺们UCLA,俺就不得不对这一部分说两句了/ b/ r- }3 R3 h9 M0 N7 A+ J
 SAT(中文名称为学术能力评估测试。SAT成绩是世界各国高中生申请美国名校学习及奖学金的重要参考)成绩达到2230分意味着什么?耶鲁大学建筑学院院长罗伯特·斯特恩说,这意味着有超过90%的可能性会被耶鲁大学录取,具有100%把握可以申请到常青藤盟校的Offer。
SAT2230分就100%能拿到藤校的offer?笑而不语
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 2012年6月,重庆某中学的李延,以2230分的SAT成绩被美国加利福尼亚大学洛杉矶分校经济学院录取。然而,今年5月,他被该大学以学习能力与SAT成绩不符退学,被迫转入当地一所社区学校就读。
看到”经济学院“这几个字我就不想吐槽了,我们UCLA本科分为以下几大学院:文理学院(College of Letter & Science)、艺术与建筑学院(School of Arts & Architecture)、亨利·萨缪l工程学院(Henry Samueli School of Engineering & Applied Science)、戏剧电影电视学院(School of Theater, Film and Television)、护理学院(School of Nursing),并不存在所谓的”经济学院“
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论文、小组作业、学期演讲、期末笔试,这些决定李延能否毕业的因素,无一不是他的拦路虎。昨天,记者在解放碑见到了李延,就中国留学生高分低能的问题进行了一次深度剖析。
7 t1 C7 ~& e& w4 F: [  每天花10小时完成各种SAT模拟试题) I& Q2 U: T, h1 K8 B# K9 B$ q
  出国是李延在高二时做的决定,因为准备时间较晚,而SAT又是留美的重中之重,所以他参加了某个重庆市出国培训班。
2 k; k( H% X2 w  w1 ^0 Q8 U  李延说,SAT的考试分为三个部分:分析性阅读、数学、写作,每一部分的满分是800分,考查的是学生的逻辑推理能力。“它不仅是进入本科院校的硬性条件,也是美国大学衡量一个人是否聪明的标准。”
2 W2 n: ?2 F5 U; M: {  为了能获得申请常青藤盟校的资格,李延每天都会花至少10个小时的时间完成各种SAT模拟试题,加上兼顾复习托福的时间,高二和高三两年,李延每晚都只有6个小时的休息时间。2 W) Y9 o, ~' Y' x# q/ t: E
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3 |# Q( G7 o1 C0 L" z( E" B9 S  “由于我很贪玩,所以成绩底子并不好,但我想上一个好大学,所以再苦再累我都会坚持。”李延说,他用了两年的时间,背了超过200篇范文,重复做过4遍历年SAT真题和模拟题,终于在2012年3月的SAT考试中考了2230分(SAT满分2400),再加上托福107分的高分,成功申请到加利福尼亚大学洛杉矶分校的Offer。加利福尼亚大学简称加州大学,是美国公立大学排名第一的学校,而洛杉矶分校又是加州大学下属所有分院当中最好的。
这文章对于SAT的介绍大致正确,唯一的疑虑是,UCLA2012级本科新生发放录取通知书的时间是2012年3月底,因此UCLA及其所在加州大学系统的其他学校均只接受不晚于2012年1月的SAT成绩,所以对于文中所提”终于在2012年3月的SAT考试中考了2230分“表示怀疑。有关UCLA的介绍,把加州大学称为”美国公立大学排名第一的学校“是极其不专业的。正如前文所说,University of California是指加州大学系统,该公立大学系统包括10所大学,而非实体存在的大学,UCLA也并非是UC系统最好的,而是伯克利加州大学(UCB)。' G5 I( h1 K  o; f& Q
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  但在李延的印象中,第一节课,他就发现自己完全听不懂教授的讲述,那些似曾相识却又怎么也想不起意思的单词,从李延的耳边飞快地掠过。
. K- q; l  d$ d* P  图书馆是美国学生查阅资料的地方,通常情况下,本科学期论文的完成要包括20个以上的资料源。李延告诉记者,美国学生从高中开始就会接触论文写作,但他由于在中学时从未写过论文,对国内的毕业论文也是略有耳闻,所以他连论文方向如何定都不知道。“加上每次上课都听不太懂,题目也没有确定,看着图书馆里的那些资料,我觉得自己简直无从下手。”
首先,在UCLA,不同的科目,不同的教授,对于期末成绩的评定都有不同的标准,所以说”论文成绩在期末成绩中占30%“是极其不严谨的。其次,在UCLA,大一新生上的要么是通识课程(General Education),要么是专业课的低阶课程(Lower Division),这些课程的论文要求比较简单,一般要求的引用源(Reference)为3-5个,而非文中所说的”20个以上“,并且多数并不要求使用课本之外的资料,所以在大一期间不太会碰到看着图书馆的资料无从下手的问题  ]3 z- W2 C& _/ W* c: m/ ?
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9 @! k0 g5 \6 \8 h& j5 A  小组作业通常会在学习半学期后展开,这也是西方教育的传统,在学生的整个考评中占25%的成绩。它要求学生自己寻找合作对象,组成一个五人左右的小组,进行半学期的学科研究,最后完成30分钟的学术演讲。" L. ~7 U3 n+ S! A
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  李延说,第一节课教授就告知他会有一个小组作业,但如何操作却没有说明,这就导致李延认为会像在国内学习时那般,以学号或者由老师指定组合,所以,他也没有去担心寻找小组成员的问题。0 }% W% u) _6 X# f, I# e
  直到半期后,许多课程教授纷纷要求学生提交小组成员名单时,李延才意识到自己落单了。“我去找教授,他们都告诉我这必须自己解决。一个星期后,由于我还是没有找到团队,所以教授们只能给我指派。”李延说,他的组员包括两个日本人与两个中东人,至今他都不清楚对方的名字。
! K, i. O, Z. G$ b4 Y8 H7 s  由于李延的性格比较内向,他并没有主动与组员交流,通常开小组会议,他都是最后一个知道,有时甚至不会通知他。“他们就是这样,认为被教授指派的人都是一些不好相处的怪人。”
如上文所说,每节课的成绩评价标准不同,这里说”小组作业在整个考评中占25%“也是不严谨的。至于这里的小组作业,由于本人尚未碰到这种问题,这里暂且but) o: o) V& r! u2 |
  李延遇到的学习问题
2 ~7 B3 N/ w' S7 k& k. X, f  3.学期演讲忘记发言内容
5 V& M" ]- W' i; o: L  (一学期要修3~5门课程,都要期末演讲)
+ e& S* e1 C( E8 G/ k& p  李延说,虽然学校没有要求,但他所在的专业一学期至少要修满3~5门课程才能按时毕业。然而,这些课的期末演讲几乎成了他的留学梦魇。
( L) p& S& {' y5 {  由于内向的性格原因,在国内从未参加过演讲的李延,在得知要当着一百多人用英语陈述自己的学术报告时,他甚至有些后悔这么早到美国学习。
* s$ e4 n' L* d+ C  “为了不出丑,每门演讲我都花了至少一个月的时间准备,把内容背诵过无数次。”李延告诉记者,他的第一门演讲是管理,当他带着自己的PPT走上讲台,做完自我介绍以后,却忽然忘记了自己的发言内容。
) b. h& F2 K+ ]6 G2 J1 M; Y  “原本精心准备的演讲,讲得乱七八糟。现在想起来,15分钟的演讲,我可能只说了6分钟左右。”
这里的演讲应该指的是presentation,但文中的描述明显存在错误。UCLA大一新生参加的课程多是200人左右的大课,如果按照文中所说每个学生进行15分钟的单独演讲,大家可以算算所有学生完成演讲需要多少时间。然而,这些200人左右的大课一般会设有几个20-30人的讨论课(Discussion),这些课由助教(TA)主持,课上会有要求学生做presentation。4 |4 i( j, K2 M# i. d' V
 4.放弃会计期末笔试- ?0 n3 @; M  X, n9 c
  (他预见到挂科数已经超过底限)
" p; J) C! l! `% \  李延承认自己完全不适应没有老师引导的自主学习方式,在经历过小组演讲、学术演讲和论文的挫折后,他开始反思美国教育模式是否真的适合自己,他甚至已经放弃了笔试的复习。
' t* d7 f* w- i6 T* {6 V% }  “很多事情我想忘记,但是我还身在其中。”李延告诉记者,会计考试是所有科目的最后一门,在此之前他已经预见到自己的挂科数已经超过底限,所以他选择了放弃考试。“不是真想放弃,而是不想面对了。”说到这里,李延掉下了眼泪。/ `* O' L6 E3 d) Y. E
  一学年9门考试挂8门被劝退* l- L2 e, M1 s$ W
  李延说,加州大学经济学专业包括金融、会计、市场营销、组织行为、管理、信息技术等32门,一学年至少要修24个学分,平均一个学期3~5门课程,而李延在上半期选修了4门课程,分别包括会计、市场营销、金融和管理,最终全挂,这对他的打击非同小可,但日复一日的过去,他依旧没有能找到自己学习的入门方法。' Z4 B; K, l8 V# D
  那是个星期一的下午,李延照例打开自己邮箱,看见一封来自加州大学学生中心的邮件,点开之后他顿感五雷轰顶。“他们告诉我,由于这学年9门考试我挂了8门,学习情况与入学成绩不符,暂停我在加州大学的学习,让我客观评估自己的学习能力,建议转入社区学校进行一年的培训之后,再重新参加入学考试。”至此,李延结束了他的美国本科学习。
+ F4 f0 \9 }+ n! C4 u, r  在总结失败经验时,李延并没有把矛头指向语言:“我觉得自己不是因为语言才失败的,其实我的许多日本和韩国朋友都没有过语言关,他们却总是知道怎么在图书馆里找到自己需要的资料,写教授喜欢的论文。”
文中提到李延在上半学期选修了会计、市场营销、金融和管理,这在UCLA大一新生中几乎是没有可能的。首先,由于UCLA本科没有商学院,而会计是作为经济部门下的辅修专业,并不能随便选修的。在UCLA官网上列出的要求中
2 b. L! w* H$ _/ OApply to the Minor,本科生选修会计课程至少要有90个学分并且GPA要求在3.2以上,因此说此人在第一学期就选修了会计的课程是不可能的。其次,同样由于UCLA本科没有商学院,市场营销、金融、管理的相关课程只能在经济部门的高阶课程进行选修,而选修高阶课程必须是在完成低阶课程之后,一般是在大三大四的时候。所以,这位李延的课表几乎是没有可能在大一第一个学期出现的。- u* T8 \3 e% X6 Y" S+ Q* F: [
综上所述,这篇报道中提及的李延的案例,很有可能是瞎编的
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看那个报道里,既然讲了SAT,说的应该是本科生留学生。
% l2 @6 z2 a- I; |7 T* v4 X) u那我可以非常负责的告诉你。没有一所Ivy会公布某个国家的学生的本科退学率这种数据,报道中的数据也没有指明来源。* a  J0 D7 O8 x5 v. `( I
此外,我认识所有的Princeton的中国本科生,和几乎所有的Harvard和Yale的同届的中国本科生,因为这个数字实在太小了,HYP各校每届中国学生的人数常常是个位数,每个人都是经过重重考验,在学术和其他方面都有不小的建树后才可能被录取。神马你说SAT高分?去HYPSM的中国本科生对于SAT这玩意都多数是考完扔一边懒得管也懒得和你提的,因为和他们在高中阶段的其他建树相比这根本不值得一提。$ q0 J6 k7 C" w3 \4 u) W% D
在常青藤中学术压力最大的Princeton(我可以说没有之一),我从来没有听说过一起中国本科留学生被退学的事情,因为他们在被招进去的时候面对的是比美国学生更高的考验标准——25%?那负责亚洲区的AO估计早就要下课了。而且退一万步说,我去年的美国室友由于学术压力过大受不了了,选择的也是休学半年,不会需要退学这回事。
6 t. u  e9 _4 S2 t3 v( [0 P; i4 ?; [7 E最后附上一些数据
# [+ A  |' V1 z0 E" y这里有各个藤校freshman year retention rate* ^) R% ]$ C' s2 X, e8 j7 y
Freshman Retention Rate这里是graduation rate
, j7 @- v% w' `Ivy League Graduation Rates Comparison Chart
) h% U& N* g4 d$ n未毕业率最高不过7%
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